I'm looking at a rollback too but I'm not sure its going to work, sounds like there were some under-the-bonnet changes.

I think I'm going to start examining iniDB for persistence, this has never worked for our group and 20 folk are waiting on a promise I made based off this mod.

I'd rather this was fixed though as on paper it had the solution.

OK, no, I cannot get the server to restore, it appears to save, but when it restarts, it goes back to the start of the mission. Its a different behaviour from before. The side effect is that when it resets, it also resets player persistence. Player persistence only works in session, but it does work, although it duplicated my avatar as an AI and left it standing there.

FWIW, the first demo mission I downloaded (operation Landlord) has RespawnOnStart = 0 so i dunno how these all test out OK, my understanding is that the respawn setting -1 is needed else player persistance isnt noticed because the unit respawns after death by runnign respawn script. Also not sure what player persistance/respawn has to do with the server not picking up its persistence on load...

Can you send me a setup that works for persistence with a config/modset so i can break this down into the simplest form for testing?

@SpyderBlack723 Yes:

@thebgpikester Player persistence only works in session, but it does work, although it duplicated my avatar as an AI and left it standing there.

@Tupolov @Tupolov Try Quick Start mission, as that defo works.

I'm being stupid, but what quick start mission? I downloaded the demo ALiVE missions, is there something else I should try? Do you mean create a misison based on the quickstart tutorial here: http://alivemod.com/wiki/index.php/Quickstart

@SavageCDN will give that a go, will be tomorrow before I can test.

I think a problem is that i'm trying not to use it as it was designed based on what you said. I was heading for a JIP persistence similar to an exile/altis life type affair that would run the 'mission' without anyone present but use the "disable AI" to reduce CPU load. The ALiVE concept seems to be based around someone being there. Has anyone here tested with IniDB to get the persistence whilst only using ALiVE persistence for the logistics? My main issue with mixing the types is that traditional databases cannot capture the virtual AI system and the virtual AI system is the key to large scale conflict. So there's not a solution that fits my needs as far as I know :/ Which is kind of crushing. I'll still see if i can isolate the issue but without a way to fit my needs my heart isn't really in using this going forward. Thanks for your help.

Hi All

I believe I have the same problem with thebgpikester. In our server, When the mission is on, we are able to save Loadout, I mean "Player Exit", exit the game and join back, the save loadout load again. Single Player Persistence works. However "Save & Exit" did save and exit as intended however when we load the mission again, It reset to it original state. Even the "Reset to Original" State is blank out. I've been head scratching since 1.0.4. In 1.0.3 the persistence did work.

Hi Tupolev, reason for saving a state whilst 'in persistence' is so you can reboot the box on a schedule using Windows Scheduled Tasks and have it come up and load back into the same mission again, or if there is a crash (small chance but its been known) without any interactions at all. I can currently achieve this and I do - I don't touch the box all week, it loads an alive mission, reboots the box every night but cannot hold persistent maps. To do this I need to send a save state inside the mission on a scheduled time period. I've already asked for that enhancement and I understand that ALiVE can't do that currently. I could probably script something but I'm not sure how to either a) access the game scripting from outside in the Windows environment or b) access the Windows environment from inside the gaming scripting environment - I'm not sure these are possible as developers usually design safety mechanisms to prevent it as its a security risk.

You can't use ALiVE persistence without a server admin initiating a save so we are looking at organised group play, with a start time and an end time. That's a completely different style of gameplay to running a server 24/7 with restarts scheduled. These are fundamentally different approaches and solve different problems, just in this case not mine.

I hope this explains what i'm trying to achieve and why, i don't think anyone is really understanding it because they don't play in the same way. The benefit of this different style is leveraging persistence (proper persistance over days and restarts - unattended) with large scale conflict in order to have quite large ongoing full map campaigns that continue to play themselves out whether there is one player, a dozen players or no players. It allows a solo player to still do key things like moving supplies, setting up mortar pits and defences with ACE and marking the map with these new positions, then later perhaps the main group come on and log (after say a reboot) and then utilise whats been left behind. It allows reconnaisance and preparation to be done in a day/night cycle, sniper teams can attrit, we can have longer logistics resupply timings. And finally, it allows the admin (me) to take absolutely no part in it unless i want to, certainly not to have to turn up, save the map and close up the session when they are done.

If you can see a way to make that happen we can leverage ALiVE to run outside the gameplay session and extend into a proper war with logistics lasting some time without having to be logged into every four hours to manually save and exit form the game and then reboot it, clear up memory, patch server, check security software has latest definitions etc.

Now if I've missed something in my understanding on how to get this to work I would be delighted to be shown the way so I can achieve that.

@azrink Hi All

I believe I have the same problem with thebgpikester. In our server, When the mission is on, we are able to save Loadout, I mean "Player Exit", exit the game and join back, the save loadout load again. Single Player Persistence works. However "Save & Exit" did save and exit as intended however when we load the mission again, It reset to it original state. Even the "Reset to Original" State is blank out. I've been head scratching since 1.0.4. In 1.0.3 the persistence did work.

I can confirm. We have exactly the same issue. As long as the server is running, single players can player exit and return and everything works great. The minute we Server Save and Exit, everything is lost when we start it back up again.

This also breaks the sitreps/spotreps/patrolreps/advanced markers completely. The only way to get them working again is to export a new mission file with a different name.

All of this said, I still know it's half working because the in-game time is the same as when the game was saved. A bunch of the features are just fucked.